Fake outrage and republican-like behavior

Today Senator Clinton made a statement in relations to previous primaries. She said that other campaigns in the past went well into the month of June and she gave examples such as the 1992 and the 1968 campaign. She said that RFK was still campaigning in June and his campaign was still going when he was assassinated.

Our supporters went online and screamed bloody murder. Some of our supporters started running like chickens without heads, yelling and screaming that Senator Clinton is staying in the campaign because Senator Obama might be assassinated, which would allow her to get the nomination.

In a nutshell, our supporters are saying that Senator Clinton wants and wishes Senator Obama to be assassinated (check the posts and comments here and on other blogs).

Let me say this in the most direct way possible and as straight as i can: this is the most dishonest faked outrage i have seen since i got involved in politics in mid-1980s. It is just plain disgusting that we behaved like that. We ought to be ashamed of ourselves. We brought nothing but shame to the campaign of Senator Obama today.

We, the Obama supporters, have become worse than the worse of the republicans.

I expect this kind of fake outrage from the republicans, from Tom Delay and Karl Rove and Newt, Jesse Helms and so forth. The republicans are known to do that and they master this art of fake outrage. Remember, how they faked to be totally outraged by the MoveOn.org ad in the NYT. Remember, "Obama said that he wants to surrender to Iran"; while what Senator Obama really said and meant is that he is willing to sit down with the leadership of Iran and practice strong diplomacy. The republicans said that "Al Gore wants to submit the security of America to the United Nations"; while what Al Gore really said and meant is that American needs to be a global player and be an active actor and uses  international institutions to our advantage. Republicans said that "Kerry will need a permission slip from the UN to defend America"; while what Kerry really said is that America needs the UN to build a coalition to help us in our mission in Iraq. Republicans said that "Dukakis gives weekend passes to harden criminals so they can go out and kill again"; While what really happened is that program was established by the previous governor of Massachusetts. Did they care about the truth? No. Did they know the truth? Absolutely. So what was that all about? Just plain old fake outrage to rattle the feelings of their base and get them all excited.

It seems that we have become just like them. We take a short statement, totally innocent and we twist it and twist it and we yell and scream about it and we fake being outraged and scandalized until we look like a bunch of fools.

I didn't vote of Senator Clinton. I didn't donate a dime to her campaign. I do not support her, but i am sure as hell that she did not have any sinister motivations in her statement other than stressing the outline of previous campaigns and how some campaigns in the past went well into June. Indeed, history tells us that RFK when he was assassinated in the month of June, he was still fighting for the nomination. Carter did not clinch the nomination until mid-June after he won Ohio and lost California to Jerry Brown. Mondale clinched his nomination in June as well as Bill Clinton.  This is what Senator Clinton was trying to say and convey and this is what she meant. And anyone who reads anything else into her statement is engaging in a high and disgusting exercise of hypocrisy and dishonesty.

Furthermore, Senator Clinton made those statements before the editorial board of a newspaper and before several capable journalists. Don't you think that if they thought that she was implying or hinting at something sinister that they would have nailed her right there in the editorial room? Don't you think they would have smelled the scoop of the year? Don't you think they would have asked follow up questions and tried to squeeze her and get a flashy and exclusive headline that would have been on the front page of their weekend edition? Do you think for one moment that you all are better are interpreting and questioning motives than them?

Here is the statement from Argus Leader, the South Dakota Newspaper where Hillary Clinton made those remarks:

"The context of the question and answer with Sen. Clinton was whether her continued candidacy jeopardized party unity this close to the Democratic convention. Her reference to Mr. Kennedy's assassination appeared to focus on the time line of his primary candidacy and not the assassination itself"

Is there a doubt now? I don't have any and i am not supporting her or her campaign.

We are better than this folks. We ought to be better than this. I thought our campaign stood for something else. I though our campaign ushered the era of a new kind politics; remember Senator Obama's words: this is new politics. And all i saw and read today from  our supporters (and the the press release of the campaign too) is old politics, just plain old republican-like politics. The same old politics that i was tired of and disgusted by it for so many year. I guess, the apple sometimes does not fall far from the tree or as my Irish red-blooded dad would say "the dog will always chase its tail."

I think our campaign should issue a statement saying that Senator Clinton remarks were just that, just remarks. Nothing more and nothing less and they ought to do because we ought to be better than this.



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Her statement was as inaccurate as it was (1.66 / 3)

tone-deaf and offensive. Her continuation in this race when she cannot possibly win through campaigning is harming her chances of doing anything at all in the executive branch and it's harming the Democratic nominee, the party, and the country.

She has lost her way.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Sat May 24, 2008 at 01:17:06 AM EST

This was the topic of this diary. You comments (1.88 / 9)

are just plain idiotic since they are out of subject.

I was not talking about whether or not she should say or step out. I was talking about our behavior today and yours just proved me right.


by likelihood zero on Sat May 24, 2008 at 01:21:34 AM EST
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Re: This was the topic of this diary. You comments (1.50 / 2)

No you proved you don't understand the gravity of the situation.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Sat May 24, 2008 at 01:22:36 AM EST
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You're not black are you? (none / 0)

You think referencing the 60s when four major political figures for civil rights were assassinated is merely "history"?  Why even bring it up when you could have used Gary Hart's campaign.

You think Hillary is getting the same amount of death threats as Obama?  Let's bet a year's salary on that scenario.

Doubt if any rational supporters believe that Clinton was endorsing the killing of Obama.  We're just flabbergasted that she could be so flippant in using that as an example.

I'm not dumb enough to compare Gitmo to Dachau, right?  Historical references are very contextual and she totally blew it.  


by Regenman on Sat May 24, 2008 at 03:12:31 AM EST
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Jeez, how did you guess this one? Was Irish (2.00 / 2)

white ass showing on the computer screen?


by likelihood zero on Sat May 24, 2008 at 03:25:27 AM EST
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Re: You're not black are you? (2.00 / 1)

Why even bring it up when you could have used Gary Hart's campaign.

It's very simple. People remember the 1968 campaign much more clearly than others because of the tragedy. I was only 7 at the time and I remember it clear as day. I don't remember the Hart canpaign with the same crystal clarity becuase nothing about the Hart campaign left me shattered and in tears.

God, people can be so thick. It's truly depressing. I've never had so little faith in the basic goodness, decency, and charity of others, esp. others who theoretically care about the same things that I do.


Fortune strums a mournful tune for those whose campaigns peak too soon. --Bored of the Rings
by Inky on Sun May 25, 2008 at 05:08:58 PM EST
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Re: Her statement was as inaccurate as it was (none / 0)

You suck.

Can't put it plainer than that.


by shellius on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:48:06 PM EST
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Where were these diaries (2.00 / 1)

back when the wreck list was dominated with hopeful and spiteful diaries about Rezko, Wright, Bitter, Plagiarism, The Finger, The Snub...?


should we go outside? / should we break some bread? / are you'nterested?
by Firewall on Sat May 24, 2008 at 01:19:39 AM EST

I just recced you... (2.00 / 4)

Because I hope your candidate listens to you !!


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Sat May 24, 2008 at 01:20:54 AM EST

Axelrod backed Clinton. Is that what you meant? (none / 0)


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Sat May 24, 2008 at 01:22:00 AM EST
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Re: Axelrod backed Clinton. Is that what you meant (none / 0)

Axelrod must not keep a tight watch over the Obama campaign, because otherwise it wouldn't be circulating KO's vile and idiotic "special comment."


Fortune strums a mournful tune for those whose campaigns peak too soon. --Bored of the Rings
by Inky on Sun May 25, 2008 at 05:10:46 PM EST
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Re: I just recced you... (none / 0)

I have seconded the rec. for the same reason -- if there is to be any party unity in support of either candidate, there is going to have to be a little slack permitted on both sides.


by pan230oh on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:30:13 AM EST
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Re: Fake outrage and republican-like behavior (none / 0)

Hold on, now- you're straying awfully close to troll territory. As you see, I agree with some of your sentiments, but you're just gonna fan more flames with that attitude, and you're going to come off looking like a concern troll. Just FYI- if you're truly an Obama supporter, I'd suggest you take that to heart.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat May 24, 2008 at 01:26:17 AM EST

Re: Fake outrage and republican-like behavior (2.00 / 3)

I am talking about our supporters not the campaign. And yes, today, this afternoon, the comments and post i read here and in other blogs were republican-like.

You want to troll me. Go ahead. I can't keep you from doing that. But what i saying is that we are better than this. We should be better than this. We have to be better than this. This is what this campaign about, the rest is fish food for the talking heads and the media. I think, we at least should agree on that.


by likelihood zero on Sat May 24, 2008 at 01:31:29 AM EST
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Re: Fake outrage and republican-like behavior (none / 0)

Read my most recent diary if you want to see how I feel; I'm just saying, be a bit more artful in how you're making some of these arguments. Just my two cents.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat May 24, 2008 at 01:33:11 AM EST
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Re: Fake outrage and republican-like behavior (2.00 / 1)

I appreciate your remarks. I will think about them.


by likelihood zero on Sat May 24, 2008 at 01:35:52 AM EST
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To help cheer you up (none / 0)


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat May 24, 2008 at 01:36:19 AM EST
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Re: To help cheer you up (none / 0)

What is this? Sorry, don't get it really. Help me out here.


by likelihood zero on Sat May 24, 2008 at 01:40:01 AM EST
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Re: To help cheer you up (none / 0)

Heh, nevermind. Never been to HI44?


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat May 24, 2008 at 01:41:31 AM EST
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Re: To help cheer you up (none / 0)

No, never. What is it? some kind of a blog full wackos? That wouldn't surprise me if it is.


by likelihood zero on Sat May 24, 2008 at 01:45:12 AM EST
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Re: To help cheer you up (none / 0)

Have a couple beers and head over to Hillaryis44.org sometime; you might need more than a couple beers, though. As the card said, it's bitterness and crazy on a scale heretowith unknown to mankind.


Hooray for John McCain!
by ragekage on Sat May 24, 2008 at 01:46:01 AM EST
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Re: To help cheer you up (none / 0)

No thanks, i can't do that. I don't care what is going on on the other side. I care about our supporters really.


by likelihood zero on Sat May 24, 2008 at 01:48:00 AM EST
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Blacks are gorilla faces at Hillaryis44.org (none / 0)

FYI, it's a hate filled site.


by Regenman on Sat May 24, 2008 at 03:14:06 AM EST
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Re: To help cheer you up (none / 0)

Yes.


No way. No how. No McCain!
by spacemanspiff on Sat May 24, 2008 at 01:46:39 AM EST
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Re: Fake outrage and republican-like behavior (2.00 / 1)

What's "un-artful" about telling it like it is. Sometimes we are the last ones to see our own weaknesses. I believe the diary has done you a great service.


by pan230oh on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:34:24 AM EST
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Re: Fake outrage and republican-like behavior (2.00 / 2)

And Clinton supporters don't freak out, like when Obama called the woman sweaty? There was some mighty angry people here when he made that comment, and he only did it once.

She referenced the RFK thing 4 times.

Comments repeated like this are thought out beforehand. What point was she trying to make?   That the decisions didn't come until June.  Actually, Bill mathematically had it wrapped up before June. 80 and 84 might have been better examples, but we lost those years badly. So she uses the assassination as an example how things could change?

Classless.


by IowaMike on Sat May 24, 2008 at 01:31:08 AM EST

Re: Fake outrage and republican-like behavior (none / 0)

I don't care about her supporters. I care about ours.


by likelihood zero on Sat May 24, 2008 at 01:32:02 AM EST
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Re: Fake outrage and republican-like behavior (2.00 / 2)

Why was it not outrageous the first three times she said it, but it is now?


Your attempt to change the subject to "the issues" is irrelevant.
by itsthemedia on Sat May 24, 2008 at 02:18:01 AM EST
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It was outrageous just wasn't caught on video (none / 0)

A moving picture is worth a thousand words.

Actually the last two times, she avoided the usage of "assassination" when talking about Bobby.  She was "off message" today.  Bad to be off in front of streaming video.


by Regenman on Sat May 24, 2008 at 03:15:49 AM EST
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Re: Fake outrage and republican-like behavior (2.00 / 3)

I daresay the outrage is not fake.  To call it fake is rude.

No one bandies about "assassination" talk in presidential politics in the Democratic pary--especially when the candidates are a black man and a woman, both of whom have faced intense death threats.


by Deadalus on Sat May 24, 2008 at 01:31:35 AM EST

so since she has the same security detail (none / 0)

for the same reasons, clarified her statements to the utmost.

Save the fake outrage.  It is not "new politics" to willfully misconstrue such statements especially when you admit, that she's in the same position as he is in terms of security.

She did not say anything wrong, RFK Jr. agrees and he oughtta know.  RFK Jr. doesn't think she said anything wrong, who are you to disagree with RFK Jr. on these comments?


by chieflytrue on Sat May 24, 2008 at 01:53:55 AM EST
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Re: so since she has the same security detail (2.00 / 1)

RFK Jr. doesn't hold the keys to the outrage of Obama suporters.

As someone who has been told NUMEROUS times to "watch out for him getting killed" while canvassing, it is outrageous.


by Deadalus on Sat May 24, 2008 at 02:04:46 AM EST
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RFK, Jr. speaks for the black community? (none / 0)

Are you seriously that obtuse?


by Regenman on Sat May 24, 2008 at 03:16:33 AM EST
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Re: RFK, Jr. speaks for the black community? (2.00 / 1)

He speaks for his dad actually and i think he has the right to do so.

I think you calm down and stop making it a black and white thing. You make this election about race, and Obama might as well go back to warm up his senate seat and we would be stuck with McCain for 8 years.


by likelihood zero on Sat May 24, 2008 at 03:23:06 AM EST
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CNN suggested she'd assassinate him. Twice. (2.00 / 2)

On the last two primary nights a pundit on CNN in covering the primary answered the question of whether Obama should pick Clinton as Vice President.  In the first instance Devid Gergen said ,"Not if he wants to survive his first term".

Even though there were emails of outrage to CNN at the suggestion that Clinton would assassinate Obama to get his job, the very next primary night another pundit,Alex Castellanos, in answer to the same question said, He'd have to hire a food taster".

Each night there were other pundits supporting Obama on the set and they and the anchors gave not one whit of disapproval.  The only reaction was general laughter!  Now those comments were undisputably meant for the viewer to think of Hillary Clinton as a murderer.  And they were said and repeated and laughed at because they felt comfortable that there would be no reproach, no punishment, no outrage, no negative consequences to the pundits, the program , the others on the stage or CNN.  Why is that?  How were they so sure, so comfortable with those accusations?

Ask yourself why would a line whose meaning had to be painfully twisted to get a negative meaning cause such an uproar when it was clearly not being interpreted as intended.  And two very public comments by professional commentators be interpreted as they were clearly intended and to no response but laughter?

What ism is that?


by itsadryheat on Sat May 24, 2008 at 03:55:45 PM EST
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Finally its revealed... (1.20 / 5)

Obamabots have finally, at long last, jumped the shark.

This has been an astonishing episode in this campaign. Expect significant blowback.

Incredible diary, thank you.


by Scan on Sat May 24, 2008 at 01:33:22 AM EST

Re: Finally its revealed... (2.00 / 1)

Blowback?

Hillary is the victim here?

Nonsense. She messed up. People reacted.

Were was this "blowback" after Clintons supporters gave

us "Bittergate".

"Fingergate"?

For weeks.

If you expect for people to take the high road you better

practice what you preach. These jump the shark arguments

and dismissive Obamabots insult undermine your position.

You are better than this (I've read your work on Taylor Marsh)

so please, PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH.

The outrage over the outrage is pathetic.


No way. No how. No McCain!
by spacemanspiff on Sat May 24, 2008 at 01:45:48 AM EST
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Re: Finally its revealed... (1.50 / 2)

This was a shameful, pathetic episode in Obamaland. I'm willing to cut the opposition some slack a lot of the time, but this was beyond the pale. Anyone with a lick of sense knows what she was talking about.

So I stand by my words.

Again, excellent diary.


by Scan on Sat May 24, 2008 at 01:54:04 AM EST
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Re: Finally its revealed... (none / 0)

The Clintons have an excellent track record of making "historical references".

Jesse Jackson winning in 1984 was just a historical reference.

LBJ passing the Civil Rights Act was just a historical reference.

RFK's assassination is just a historical reference.

Wow, you people apologizing for this are rubes.


by Deadalus on Sat May 24, 2008 at 02:06:01 AM EST
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Re: Finally its revealed... (none / 0)

Cut some slack?

You're accusing Obamaland of being pathetic?

You're shameless. Really.

This coming from someone who features in Taylor Marsh.

I don't think you are like alot of your commenters (I saw the Ted

Kennedy thread) and you shouldn't judge everybody with a broad

stroke over here either.

This is a very hypocritical stance.


No way. No how. No McCain!
by spacemanspiff on Sat May 24, 2008 at 02:08:19 AM EST
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Re: Finally its revealed... (none / 0)

Sad thing is, I seriously was thinking of writing more unity stuff earlier today. No matter if its Hillary or Barack at the top...because it was about time to do that. We were just starting to get along better too.

Then the Obama camp did their press release on this, stoking the fire.

Then it was all downhill again.

Oh well...back to the trenches.


by Scan on Sat May 24, 2008 at 02:13:27 AM EST
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In Hillaryland (none / 0)

it's all Obama's fault.

The NYPost got in on their blog and they were watching

the live feed. Drudge had it up in minutes.

The Drudge Report. His headlines influence media narrative.

This was the MSM.

But it's easier to make excuses to attack Obama.

He barely mentions her name anymore.

I wonder how they would have responded over at

Taylor Marsh if he had talked about Bhutto.

Be honest. You're only kidding yourself with this faux outrage.

Hmmm.


No way. No how. No McCain!
by spacemanspiff on Sat May 24, 2008 at 02:21:09 AM EST
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I guess what I'm really trying to say is... (2.00 / 1)

EXCELLENT DIARY.

Reminds me of Taylor taking her readers to the woodshed for not being respectful to Ted Kennedy last weekend.

She was right. This diary is right.


by Scan on Sat May 24, 2008 at 02:27:06 AM EST
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Where was your indignation over fingergate (none / 0)

You're a fine hypocrite...


by Regenman on Sat May 24, 2008 at 03:17:55 AM EST
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C'mon Scanny, you can do it! (2.00 / 1)

Keep that unity train rolling! Remember - bunnies! Ice Cream! Sunshine! Peaches! :-)


Your attempt to change the subject to "the issues" is irrelevant.
by itsthemedia on Sat May 24, 2008 at 02:23:28 AM EST
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Re: Finally its revealed... (1.33 / 3)

You're also missing a key difference.

This came from the top. The Obama campaign stoked this fire and the front-pagers on here ran with it. It wasn't isolated to a few crazies. This was planned.

Once you start suggesting that a US Senator and candidate for president is holding out for "something bad to happen" to her opponent...thats when credibility and respect are lost. I hope that is perfectly clear.


by Scan on Sat May 24, 2008 at 02:23:10 AM EST
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Re: Finally its revealed... (none / 0)

Here is the link from the New York Times.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/24/us/pol itics/24clinton.html?_r=1&hp&ore f=slogin

Planned? This was planned?

The 400 bloggers controlled by the Obama campaign did this?

You're making an argument based on a lame conspiracy theory?

Are you serious? This was planned you say.

Everybody got a "special" call to trash Hillary?

Let me guess. You read NoQuarter? That place is filth.

Do you watch the news? CNN, CBS, NBC, FOX. Everybody ran

with it. The world is alot bigger than the blogosphere.

Once Drudge had it that was it.

Check out the link.


No way. No how. No McCain!
by spacemanspiff on Sat May 24, 2008 at 02:31:20 AM EST
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Another thing (none / 0)

coming from Taylor Marsh you are not in the position to question
anybodys credibility. Josh and Singer are alot more credible than your site will ever be.
No way. No how. No McCain!
by spacemanspiff on Sat May 24, 2008 at 02:34:09 AM EST
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Re: Another thing (none / 0)

Ahh, but since they pushed this crapola...it goes against your argument.


by Scan on Sat May 24, 2008 at 02:47:04 AM EST
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Re: Finally its revealed... (2.00 / 1)

The story really blew up when the Obama campaign jumped on it. Thats the first I heard of it.

So yes, the plan from the campaign was to make this a story, to suggest something horrible was meant by it. Its clear from the press release. They knew what they were doing. And a great many front-page bloggers were more than eager to go along.

Seriously though, whatever. These ridiculous pile-ons only harden Hillary's support even more.

'Night.


by Scan on Sat May 24, 2008 at 02:44:58 AM EST
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Let's meet in Austin (none / 0)

I'm a Texas Ex.  Drop me a line and let's meet up in Austin to talk.  Want you to look me in the eye and repeat some of the bile you can spout on the internet.  Heck, I'll even arrange it as a Voltaire's coffee for the Plan II Honors program.

We can make the discourse an analysis of our respective posts on blog sites and see how the undergrads view our take on "democracy".

We can also discuss why your views are hardened by Obama supporters while my views are hardened by Hillary's mouth.  It'll be an interesting debate.  I'd like to do it.  Send me a tell.


by Regenman on Sat May 24, 2008 at 03:25:44 AM EST
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Hillary's mouth is planned by Obama (none / 0)

Keep on with the moronic assertions.


by Regenman on Sat May 24, 2008 at 03:18:35 AM EST
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Re: Fake outrage and republican-like behavior (2.00 / 1)

I think you should be the big man here and write that diary that you intended to write. Let this stupid storm calm down and write it. It is needed.

It is as simple as this: we will not win if we do not come together. If this is too hard to understand for our supporters or Hillary's, well it's over.

However, the saving grace is that there is whole lot of people out there who don't give a damn about what is happening on the blogs and they have more sense and judgment than all of us put together. We are just a little tiny, tiny minority we think that we are giants. The truth is on the grand scheme of things, we are statistically insignificant. However, we are fighting like crazy over stupid things that don't matter whatsoever. We are just like that old fable of the bull and the frog.

So, i think you should write that diary to calm people down.


by likelihood zero on Sat May 24, 2008 at 02:25:55 AM EST

Re: Fake outrage and republican-like behavior (2.00 / 1)

This avid Hillary supporter salutes you for writing this excellent diary!


by Nobama on Sat May 24, 2008 at 02:40:16 AM EST

Didn't you get the memo? (2.00 / 2)

O supporters are just followiong the leader.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/TheNote/S tory?id=3105455&page=1

"Senator Clinton's statement before the Argus Leader editorial board was unfortunate and has no place in this campaign," wrote Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton in a missive to reporters.

[...]

The Obama campaign's decision to target Clinton's RFK reference forced the former first lady to express regret for her remarks.

It also ensured that the dust-up would be covered on all three network newscasts.

Meanwhile, RFK's son Bobby, and the Argus Leader have come to Sentor Clinton's defense.

***A


by adrienne4dean on Sat May 24, 2008 at 02:51:16 AM EST

Better October surprise than Sweetie gate (none / 0)

Obama says "sweetie" and Hillary references Bobby's assassination.

Ooops, who made the bigger gaffee?

You sure were indignant over sweetie gate weren't you?


by Regenman on Sat May 24, 2008 at 03:28:23 AM EST
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Re: Fake outrage and republican-like behavior (2.00 / 1)

 I applaud you for this diary-i was watching the live feed of the interview and anyone with half a brain could see what she was talking about-so i don't know just what Obama's people are working with-
 Question-why is it that you guys get so uptight now about the activities of your supporters when this kind of stuff has been going for quite sometime- you do realize of course that these tactics of yours don't help your candidate with trying to bring any unity-
 I do find it interesting though that it's apparently not ok for Sen. Clinton to bring up facts - but it is ok for Sen. Obama's wife to bring up the idea that as a black man he could get killed just going to get gas-(this in a 60 Minutes interview) where was your outrage then that a candidate's spouse should be able to bring up a hypothetical. Does make one wonder just that was all about?  Why bring it up at all?
 
by artsykr on Sat May 24, 2008 at 03:34:53 AM EST

Re: Fake outrage and republican-like behavior (2.00 / 2)

THANK YOU for speaking common sense! What has happened to this campaign? In their hearts the Obama supporters spewing this nonsense must know it is ridiculous.


by bayareavoter on Sat May 24, 2008 at 03:41:43 AM EST

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. (2.00 / 2)

A terrific diary. To me, this is a replay of what happened when John Kerry botched that joke of his. The Republicans knew exactly what he intended to say, but didn't care and made it seem as if he was calling the troops dumb. It was cynical political opportunism all the way through.

I realize this kind of over-the-top behavior happens on both sides. But it seems that we never learn from our mistakes. We've already had firestorms over so many little things--the Drudge photo, the doctored Mickey Kantor video, and now this. It's really quite astonishing to see what some people want to believe about Hillary Clinton and her supporters.

Thanks for reminding everyone that there are indeed sane supporters of both candidates out there, something you might forget if you spend too much time on the blogs.


by OrangeFur on Sat May 24, 2008 at 04:27:04 AM EST

Re: Fake outrage and republican-like behavior (2.00 / 1)

Very much appreciate this diary and your willingness to call it as you see it. thank you.


by linfar on Sat May 24, 2008 at 03:23:26 PM EST

Excellent, clear-eyed diary (2.00 / 2)

with strong historical examples to help us put this into a sane perspective


by tornsneaker on Sat May 24, 2008 at 03:36:35 PM EST

Re: Fake outrage and republican-like behavior (none / 0)

I have some terrible news for Obama supporters.  You became "like the Republicans" a long time ago.  Remember when Bill Clinton uttered the fighting words, "Fairy tale"?  That's when it started.
No one in history has ever made a bigger deal about the phrase "Fairy tale" than the Obamatrons.  What a weird, strange uproar that was.

Since then, it's been all downhill.  Ferraro, Bill's numerous clumsy comments, Clinton and her remarks about Obama's pastor, a badly remembered event or two, and on and on and on . . . . .  the pile of pseudo-outrages just grew and grew.  Fake outrages all over the place.  You just noticed this?

It's why Hillary supporters find Obama's campaign so disgusting. It's been intellectually dishonest from the get-go and oh, so above-it-all.  


by shellius on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:44:15 PM EST

thank you for this diary. (none / 0)


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by canadian gal on Tue May 27, 2008 at 02:51:52 AM EST


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